July 11, 2010 at 6:17 pm
CirquedeSQLeil (7/11/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/11/2010)
One problem I've seen in the work place is that are too many managers that do not have enough technological knowledge to properly evaluate the competence of their staff, or the people they hire.All too true!
That's why I'd love to see some kind of volunteer effort to offer technical expertise for small to midsize companies when interviewing for technical positions. Maybe there is something out there, but I don't know about it.
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July 11, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Jack Corbett (7/11/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (7/11/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/11/2010)
One problem I've seen in the work place is that are too many managers that do not have enough technological knowledge to properly evaluate the competence of their staff, or the people they hire.All too true!
That's why I'd love to see some kind of volunteer effort to offer technical expertise for small to midsize companies when interviewing for technical positions. Maybe there is something out there, but I don't know about it.
I agree with you Jack, but it's not only happening in small companies. I saw it happen in a company that has (oops, had) an IT staff of 500 people. When that happens, you have to start questioning the knowledge of all the managers, starting with the CIO.
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July 11, 2010 at 8:39 pm
I added my thoughts to the thread. I think the guy/gal was humble enough, admitting he was in over his head there. I am hoping, with my best effort, that this person is a developer that just hasn't had experience with SQL Server. I have to admit that I was surprised that Jason's BOL link was too complex, but I do understand the that BNF or whatever it's called for structure is intimidating to beginners.
Hopefully he'll learn.
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July 11, 2010 at 11:02 pm
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I added my thoughts to the thread. I think the guy/gal was humble enough, admitting he was in over his head there. I am hoping, with my best effort, that this person is a developer that just hasn't had experience with SQL Server. I have to admit that I was surprised that Jason's BOL link was too complex, but I do understand the that BNF or whatever it's called for structure is intimidating to beginners.Hopefully he'll learn.
I wonder if maybe it (the link as an example) just seems too simple for us because we have been working with SQL for a while. Do as anybody find themselves second guessing the complexity of a problem, maybe because they have been doing it for soooo long? Like maybe when you were fresh meat as a DBA or developer and had to do this or that, then do a similar task now and wonder what you were doing way back when.
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July 11, 2010 at 11:49 pm
lmu92 (7/11/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (7/11/2010)
...Long live the vuvuzela!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would you repeat that face to face with Gail? (assuming she can hear you and doesn't still have that bee swarm sound in her ears...)
I still have intermittent buzzing in one ear. Getting better though.
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July 12, 2010 at 1:55 am
Jack Corbett (7/11/2010)
Jeff Moden (7/9/2010)
Ah.... just found another email from Elena... the Tally Table session in "Approved" and the Hierarchy session has been labeled as an "Alternate" in case someone has a problem and can't present. Looks like the SSC article is going to have to wait. 😛Congratulations. And definitely have the Hierarchy session ready because there are always people who can't make it for some reason. I'd bet that the Dev committee wanted to give you both, but didn't because no one is supposed to do more than 2 sessions and they didn't know if yo had another session in another track.
Oh yeah! I'll definitely have both ready. Thanks for the feedback and encouragement, Jack.
--Jeff Moden
July 12, 2010 at 2:03 am
CirquedeSQLeil (7/11/2010)
Steve Jones - Editor (7/11/2010)
I added my thoughts to the thread. I think the guy/gal was humble enough, admitting he was in over his head there. I am hoping, with my best effort, that this person is a developer that just hasn't had experience with SQL Server. I have to admit that I was surprised that Jason's BOL link was too complex, but I do understand the that BNF or whatever it's called for structure is intimidating to beginners.Hopefully he'll learn.
I wonder if maybe it (the link as an example) just seems too simple for us because we have been working with SQL for a while. Do as anybody find themselves second guessing the complexity of a problem, maybe because they have been doing it for soooo long? Like maybe when you were fresh meat as a DBA or developer and had to do this or that, then do a similar task now and wonder what you were doing way back when.
If things weren't bad enough, here's part of his latest post...
Steve, That is exactly what I was looking for.
I think the person who may hurtfull comments to me should be banned.
I feel really sorry for the guy because he did some serious time in the service, but if he's going to step into a position that he's patently not qualified for (sounds like he was never qualified instead of just "rusty" as he claims), then he'd better grow a little thicker skin.
--Jeff Moden
July 12, 2010 at 2:42 am
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CirquedeSQLeil (7/11/2010)
...Long live the vuvuzela!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would you repeat that face to face with Gail? (assuming she can hear you and doesn't still have that bee swarm sound in her ears...)
I still have intermittent buzzing in one ear. Getting better though.
And I'm missing it already
July 12, 2010 at 4:29 am
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July 12, 2010 at 5:15 am
Alvin Ramard (7/11/2010)
Jack Corbett (7/11/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (7/11/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/11/2010)
One problem I've seen in the work place is that are too many managers that do not have enough technological knowledge to properly evaluate the competence of their staff, or the people they hire.All too true!
That's why I'd love to see some kind of volunteer effort to offer technical expertise for small to midsize companies when interviewing for technical positions. Maybe there is something out there, but I don't know about it.
I agree with you Jack, but it's not only happening in small companies. I saw it happen in a company that has (oops, had) an IT staff of 500 people. When that happens, you have to start questioning the knowledge of all the managers, starting with the CIO.
Where I work now has an IT staff around 250 and there was no one to give me a technical interview. I was a bit hesitant to take the job because of that. It does happen.
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July 12, 2010 at 7:10 am
Lynn Pettis (7/7/2010)
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I'm either getting too old or just lazier in my old age. I no longer fight people who insist on being wrong. I try to help but if someone wants to set their hair on fire, I'll let them so long as they don't take any innocent bystanders out.You're not the only one Jeff. I've got too many other things to deal with and only so much energy.
That's where dbcc timewarp comes into play
Exec dbcc TimeWarp @Date = '1976-09-01'
Is that the last time you were 19?
Try 14 and a little bit. 😀
I was 17 and a senior in high school. If I knew then what I know now.
lol negative one and a half...
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July 12, 2010 at 7:20 am
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Lynn Pettis (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
Jeff Moden (7/7/2010)
I'm either getting too old or just lazier in my old age. I no longer fight people who insist on being wrong. I try to help but if someone wants to set their hair on fire, I'll let them so long as they don't take any innocent bystanders out.You're not the only one Jeff. I've got too many other things to deal with and only so much energy.
That's where dbcc timewarp comes into play
Exec dbcc TimeWarp @Date = '1976-09-01'
Is that the last time you were 19?
Try 14 and a little bit. 😀
I was 17 and a senior in high school. If I knew then what I know now.
lol negative one and a half...
The world must've been a cold, dark place back then. Nearly a decade before I was born and added light to the world :hehe:
July 12, 2010 at 7:22 am
CirquedeSQLeil (7/11/2010)
Steve Jones - Editor (7/11/2010)
I added my thoughts to the thread. I think the guy/gal was humble enough, admitting he was in over his head there. I am hoping, with my best effort, that this person is a developer that just hasn't had experience with SQL Server. I have to admit that I was surprised that Jason's BOL link was too complex, but I do understand the that BNF or whatever it's called for structure is intimidating to beginners.Hopefully he'll learn.
I wonder if maybe it (the link as an example) just seems too simple for us because we have been working with SQL for a while. Do as anybody find themselves second guessing the complexity of a problem, maybe because they have been doing it for soooo long? Like maybe when you were fresh meat as a DBA or developer and had to do this or that, then do a similar task now and wonder what you were doing way back when.
Seemed obvious to me that the OP had never programmed an UPDATE statement before.
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July 12, 2010 at 7:30 am
Congrats Jeff... Hopefully I will see you all at the Pass Summit..!!!!
-Roy
July 12, 2010 at 7:50 am
Alvin Ramard (7/12/2010)
Seemed obvious to me that the OP had never programmed an UPDATE statement before.
Agreed. That's not something that you can just forget. Plus, someone who's done consulting and training on SQL for 4 years shouldn't be finding a Books Online entry complicated. I haven't done C++ since university, but I still remember the basics and can read the help files.
Who's comment do you think he found 'hurtful'? I'd kinda expect a military vet to have a bit of a thicker skin
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