June 20, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Craig Farrell (6/20/2011)
Lynn Pettis (6/20/2011)
Craig,Is this a mandatory butts-in-chair position or is it something that could actually be done remotely (even during evening and weekend hours)? There may be qualified applicants who really aren't interested in moving to AZ but may be interested in working remotely.
Butt-in-chair position. Some telecommute but office time is mandatory, and I don't disagree with why they want face to face meetings when things seem to go a lot faster that way.
I guess experiences differ at times. I always seemed to be more productive when working at home rather than in the office. Could be that the three hours used to commute each way turned into productive time while working from home, plus no incidental interruptions from coworkers dropping by to talk about the weekend/nightly activities. Communication via internet worked well when email/im didn't. We had VoIP using Lotus Notes. Blew my daughters mind one morning when the wife was using the headset phone in my den and I was talking to a co-worker via the computer.
June 20, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Lynn Pettis (6/20/2011)
Craig Farrell (6/20/2011)
Lynn Pettis (6/20/2011)
Craig,Is this a mandatory butts-in-chair position or is it something that could actually be done remotely (even during evening and weekend hours)? There may be qualified applicants who really aren't interested in moving to AZ but may be interested in working remotely.
Butt-in-chair position. Some telecommute but office time is mandatory, and I don't disagree with why they want face to face meetings when things seem to go a lot faster that way.
I guess experiences differ at times. I always seemed to be more productive when working at home rather than in the office. Could be that the three hours used to commute each way turned into productive time while working from home, plus no incidental interruptions from coworkers dropping by to talk about the weekend/nightly activities. Communication via internet worked well when email/im didn't. We had VoIP using Lotus Notes. Blew my daughters mind one morning when the wife was using the headset phone in my den and I was talking to a co-worker via the computer.
I have seen it work better in both cases - sometimes office sometimes telecommute. Some people just don't believe you are working no matter how much you communicate if they can't see you in the office.
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June 20, 2011 at 6:15 pm
SQLRNNR (6/20/2011)
Lynn Pettis (6/20/2011)
Craig Farrell (6/20/2011)
Lynn Pettis (6/20/2011)
Craig,Is this a mandatory butts-in-chair position or is it something that could actually be done remotely (even during evening and weekend hours)? There may be qualified applicants who really aren't interested in moving to AZ but may be interested in working remotely.
Butt-in-chair position. Some telecommute but office time is mandatory, and I don't disagree with why they want face to face meetings when things seem to go a lot faster that way.
I guess experiences differ at times. I always seemed to be more productive when working at home rather than in the office. Could be that the three hours used to commute each way turned into productive time while working from home, plus no incidental interruptions from coworkers dropping by to talk about the weekend/nightly activities. Communication via internet worked well when email/im didn't. We had VoIP using Lotus Notes. Blew my daughters mind one morning when the wife was using the headset phone in my den and I was talking to a co-worker via the computer.
I have seen it work better in both cases - sometimes office sometimes telecommute. Some people just don't believe you are working no matter how much you communicate if they can't see you in the office.
In this particular case there's a bit of that, too. The position is highly exposed to the standard business who are definate butt-in-chair folks. Between that and technical flash mobs for high speed resolution, vs. trying to get everyone on voip/etc and scanning a quick piece of paper (or god forbid, a whiteboard).
The idea is exactly that, you WILL be interrupted by people coming by to briefly discuss their most recent quandry, so that they're not stuck for long and your presence can help them out. At the same time, the telecommute gives you a day or two for those uninterrupted deep dives. It's a best of both worlds scenario to me, and I really like it this way, actually.
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June 20, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Jeff Moden (6/19/2011)
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June 20, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Barry!!!
Welcome back!!!
What'cha been up to? We've missed you!
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June 20, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Craig Farrell (6/20/2011)
SQLRNNR (6/20/2011)
Lynn Pettis (6/20/2011)
Craig Farrell (6/20/2011)
Lynn Pettis (6/20/2011)
Craig,Is this a mandatory butts-in-chair position or is it something that could actually be done remotely (even during evening and weekend hours)? There may be qualified applicants who really aren't interested in moving to AZ but may be interested in working remotely.
Butt-in-chair position. Some telecommute but office time is mandatory, and I don't disagree with why they want face to face meetings when things seem to go a lot faster that way.
I guess experiences differ at times. I always seemed to be more productive when working at home rather than in the office. Could be that the three hours used to commute each way turned into productive time while working from home, plus no incidental interruptions from coworkers dropping by to talk about the weekend/nightly activities. Communication via internet worked well when email/im didn't. We had VoIP using Lotus Notes. Blew my daughters mind one morning when the wife was using the headset phone in my den and I was talking to a co-worker via the computer.
I have seen it work better in both cases - sometimes office sometimes telecommute. Some people just don't believe you are working no matter how much you communicate if they can't see you in the office.
In this particular case there's a bit of that, too. The position is highly exposed to the standard business who are definate butt-in-chair folks. Between that and technical flash mobs for high speed resolution, vs. trying to get everyone on voip/etc and scanning a quick piece of paper (or god forbid, a whiteboard).
The idea is exactly that, you WILL be interrupted by people coming by to briefly discuss their most recent quandry, so that they're not stuck for long and your presence can help them out. At the same time, the telecommute gives you a day or two for those uninterrupted deep dives. It's a best of both worlds scenario to me, and I really like it this way, actually.
I can understand the if I don't see you working you're not working attitude. Too bad it is easily disproved if one takes the time to see if the individual is meeting project deadlines on-time or ahead of schedule.
I must have worked with an exceptional team at that previous position, because distance didn't stop us from collaborating. The tool that came with Lotus Notes let us share our desktops and use a computer based white board. So I guess it also depends on the team as well as the individual(s) working remotely.
Biggest problem I see is that many companies don't want to invest in the collaboration technologies that exist today to facilitiate geographically disparate teams. What is interesting is that many of these technologies are fairly inexpensive or free. One just needs to learn to use and adapt to the changing technological environment. There are still going to be those positions where butts-in-chairs is required due to the nature of the applications being developed or used (classified projects for the government and DOD quickly come to mind).
I can see fiscal pressures being the one area that will push the adoption of these technologies. If gas prices, for instance, reach $5.00/gallon or more, I can see employees pushing for more telecommute options. Employers can always say the employee chose to live where they live, but if it means losing talented people, they may have no choice but to adapt as well. Not many people I know could afford to pay $100.00 a week in gas unless the position was well compensated or the employer agreed to pay for the gas.
I may not see more telecommuting options in my career, but hopefully my kids will as they enter the job market. In fact, it will probably take the next generation to bring about this particular change as they move up in to the managerial ranks.
June 20, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Lynn Pettis (6/20/2011)
I may not see more telecommuting options in my career, but hopefully my kids will as they enter the job market. In fact, it will probably take the next generation to bring about this particular change as they move up in to the managerial ranks.
Agreed. (unfortunately)
Wayne
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June 21, 2011 at 12:26 am
Lynn Pettis (6/21/2011)
Really?? (different person). Hope I wasn't too harsh in my reply.
What .... you were to lazy to copy / paste the data and check if your code works. :hehe::hehe:
You should be granted extra points for that reply 😎
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June 21, 2011 at 1:00 am
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Jeff Moden (6/19/2011)
Major vent... suppressed. 😀 ...Ahh, how you've grown, my son. 😀
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June 21, 2011 at 4:06 am
Lynn Pettis (6/21/2011)
Not much better here either. Would help if he would figure out how to make his urls he posts clickable. I don't feel like showing him, though.
I had to respond to that one. Bad info that just can't stand.
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June 21, 2011 at 5:34 am
Tom.Thomson (6/20/2011)
Craig Farrell (6/20/2011)
[rant]AAARRRGGGHHH....
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Thank you for reading, we now return you to your regularly scheduled insanity.
But Craig, don't you realise that it is normal for all advertised jobs in computing that the majority of applicants come nowhere near the advertised requirement? It's sort of the flip side of the lunatic requirement thing, which is also the norm (you know the kind of advert I mean - something like an advert for an engineer with a working knowledge of .NET 3.5 plus at least 6 years experience of doing BI using SQL Server 2008 R2 Analysis Services, which clearly requires the engineer to have a working time machine rather than a working knowledge of something). Applicants see a requirement for something they couldn't imaginably fit, but since they have learnt that all advertisements pose requirements that can't conceivably be met by anyone they might as well apply anyway if they have even the slightest connection with a couple of the requirements.
It is a pain, of course, and when I was recruiting I used to get really irritated by it. But I blame the employment agencies (and the HR departments), not the applicants, because it is the agencies and the HR people who have created this culture of asking for knowledge and experience that imply an age of about 45 when recruiting for a post that could be filled be a new graduate with no real experience, with similar nonsensical inflation all the way up the scale.
*applause*
-Ki
June 21, 2011 at 8:18 am
Wow - Barry, it's good to see you back.
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