April 17, 2017 at 6:59 am
Jeff Moden - Monday, April 17, 2017 6:14 AMBrandie Tarvin - Monday, April 17, 2017 4:48 AMHeh.I've only recently been hearing the term DevOps (yes, I must have my head in the sand), so I decided to Google it. Funny definition. Funny because that's what my particular group at Allstate has been trying to (and finally succeeding at) implement since I've been a part of the company back in 2005. It took us forever to get the culture change we wanted, but now we've got a better system than our corporate office in this regard.
I just didn't know there was an official term for it. @=)
The do... It's called "common sense and teamwork" but a lot of people didn't go there until it became a new bright-shinny object with a new buzz-word.
Heh - What was the quote that used to be in Lowell's signature? Something along the lines of "Common sense isn't so common. In fact, it should be considered a superpower."
It's true.
April 17, 2017 at 7:32 am
Brandie Tarvin - Monday, April 17, 2017 6:35 AMJeff Moden - Monday, April 17, 2017 6:14 AMBrandie Tarvin - Monday, April 17, 2017 4:48 AMHeh.I've only recently been hearing the term DevOps (yes, I must have my head in the sand), so I decided to Google it. Funny definition. Funny because that's what my particular group at Allstate has been trying to (and finally succeeding at) implement since I've been a part of the company back in 2005. It took us forever to get the culture change we wanted, but now we've got a better system than our corporate office in this regard.
I just didn't know there was an official term for it. @=)
The do... It's called "common sense and teamwork" but a lot of people didn't go there until it became a new bright-shinny object with a new buzz-word.
Buzzword, buzzword. Shiny, shiny buzzword.
Buzzword, buzzword. Make some up now!
(sung to the tune of "Fish heads")
LOL in my mind I had that tune as I was reading this and then saw you referenced it. Too funny.
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April 17, 2017 at 8:05 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor - Sunday, April 16, 2017 10:19 AMThis is one reason why I like DevOps philosophies. We need to be able to change things. We need a build system that lets us determine before production exactly what will happen. If we're going to tear a hole in the space time continuum, let's test that.
and here we have proof that Steve is responsible for the multi-verse
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April 17, 2017 at 8:07 am
Brandie Tarvin - Monday, April 17, 2017 4:52 AMGilaMonster - Friday, April 14, 2017 1:37 PMSteve Jones - SSC Editor - Friday, April 14, 2017 1:21 PMIs it me, or is the new Star Wars trailer just not that impressive?
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-trailer-for-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-here-1794299927Haven't watched it. Not going to watch it. Will try to avoid any discussion of it. I prefer to watch the movie cold.
Well, not to spoil it for you, but I'm pretty sure Scooby Doo gets terrified by the ghost of Darth Vader.
I think that was Scooby anyway. I did hear Shaggy in the background yelling something about snacks.
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*Darth Shaggy, tyvm
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April 17, 2017 at 8:08 am
Brandie Tarvin - Monday, April 17, 2017 6:35 AMJeff Moden - Monday, April 17, 2017 6:14 AMBrandie Tarvin - Monday, April 17, 2017 4:48 AMHeh.I've only recently been hearing the term DevOps (yes, I must have my head in the sand), so I decided to Google it. Funny definition. Funny because that's what my particular group at Allstate has been trying to (and finally succeeding at) implement since I've been a part of the company back in 2005. It took us forever to get the culture change we wanted, but now we've got a better system than our corporate office in this regard.
I just didn't know there was an official term for it. @=)
The do... It's called "common sense and teamwork" but a lot of people didn't go there until it became a new bright-shinny object with a new buzz-word.
Buzzword, buzzword. Shiny, shiny buzzword.
Buzzword, buzzword. Make some up now!
(sung to the tune of "Fish heads")
And I've had stuck in my head this morning:
Lifeforms, lifeforms, where are you little lifeforms?
to the same tune...
April 17, 2017 at 8:18 am
jonathan.crawford - Monday, April 17, 2017 8:07 AMBrandie Tarvin - Monday, April 17, 2017 4:52 AMGilaMonster - Friday, April 14, 2017 1:37 PMSteve Jones - SSC Editor - Friday, April 14, 2017 1:21 PMIs it me, or is the new Star Wars trailer just not that impressive?
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-trailer-for-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-here-1794299927Haven't watched it. Not going to watch it. Will try to avoid any discussion of it. I prefer to watch the movie cold.
Well, not to spoil it for you, but I'm pretty sure Scooby Doo gets terrified by the ghost of Darth Vader.
I think that was Scooby anyway. I did hear Shaggy in the background yelling something about snacks.
@hide
*Darth Shaggy, tyvm
Hee.
April 17, 2017 at 8:37 am
jasona.work - Monday, April 17, 2017 8:08 AMBrandie Tarvin - Monday, April 17, 2017 6:35 AMJeff Moden - Monday, April 17, 2017 6:14 AMBrandie Tarvin - Monday, April 17, 2017 4:48 AMHeh.I've only recently been hearing the term DevOps (yes, I must have my head in the sand), so I decided to Google it. Funny definition. Funny because that's what my particular group at Allstate has been trying to (and finally succeeding at) implement since I've been a part of the company back in 2005. It took us forever to get the culture change we wanted, but now we've got a better system than our corporate office in this regard.
I just didn't know there was an official term for it. @=)
The do... It's called "common sense and teamwork" but a lot of people didn't go there until it became a new bright-shinny object with a new buzz-word.
Buzzword, buzzword. Shiny, shiny buzzword.
Buzzword, buzzword. Make some up now!
(sung to the tune of "Fish heads")
And I've had stuck in my head this morning:
Lifeforms, lifeforms, where are you little lifeforms?
to the same tune...
Data while scanning a planet.
STNG
April 17, 2017 at 9:40 am
jasona.work - Friday, April 14, 2017 6:12 AMSo a question occurred to me reading an article on a sysadmin who planted a logic bomb in a former employers' system...What would it take for any of you to do something similar? Presuming you had the means (whether it be a method of accessing the system from off-site, or something previously implanted that you prevent from executing,) how far would your employer have to push you before you would ignore the legal penalties and trash their systems? Not some "prank," like setting up something to change all the corporate desktop wallpapers to goatse.cx or something, but something that caused real damage to the company (the article states the sysadmin trashed the companies financial database)
Myself, I don't think I could do something like that, no matter how shabbily I was treated. Certainly I wouldn't speak well of the business, and I might even go so far as to publicly document my side of the story, but I wouldn't do anything to the actual companies equipment, etc.
What about you?
Nope. I wouldn't be able to do anything like this. The worst I would do is an honest GlassDoor review and let people know how the company treats employees. Even if they don't I do have something called 'ethics'.
April 17, 2017 at 9:44 am
Does anyone else think GeorgeCopeland was having a bad day? Or does he really not get the fact that there's a lot of dirty data out there and this IS a problem that people need to consider?
April 17, 2017 at 9:51 am
Brandie Tarvin - Monday, April 17, 2017 4:48 AMHeh.I've only recently been hearing the term DevOps (yes, I must have my head in the sand), so I decided to Google it. Funny definition. Funny because that's what my particular group at Allstate has been trying to (and finally succeeding at) implement since I've been a part of the company back in 2005. It took us forever to get the culture change we wanted, but now we've got a better system than our corporate office in this regard.
I just didn't know there was an official term for it. @=)
Quite common to see this. Good tech folks just do it. The name is helpful for trying to spread the concepts to the non-good folk.
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April 17, 2017 at 9:52 am
jonathan.crawford - Monday, April 17, 2017 8:05 AMand here we have proof that Steve is responsible for the multi-verse
I said "if"
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April 17, 2017 at 10:11 am
JustMarie - Monday, April 17, 2017 9:44 AMDoes anyone else think GeorgeCopeland was having a bad day? Or does he really not get the fact that there's a lot of dirty data out there and this IS a problem that people need to consider?
Looks like he missed the last two lines in the article which said "we got this data from someone else."
So, yeah, bad day.
April 17, 2017 at 10:18 am
JustMarie - Monday, April 17, 2017 9:44 AMDoes anyone else think GeorgeCopeland was having a bad day? Or does he really not get the fact that there's a lot of dirty data out there and this IS a problem that people need to consider?
I don't know how George sounds when he's having goood or bad days. But I do agree with him.
Yes, there is dirty data out there. But the article makes it sound as if the author found a bug ("but this result is wrong based on the fact that 1/1/1900 is not the date you expect to see and use as the outcome" - emphasis mine). That's not the case. The behaviour observed in the article is well documented, and even easy to understand when you consider that datetime and smalldatetime predate the newer date and time datatypes. Before SQL Server 2005, these data types were the only ption for storing dates (and accepting the default time part of midnight) or for storing times (and accepting the default date part of 1-1-1900).
The issue described in the article is not at all related to an issue with the datetime data type, it is related to an issue with improper usage of the datetime data type. My guess is that this is what George is trying to explain (in a more blunt and direct manner than I would have done).
April 17, 2017 at 10:54 am
JustMarie - Monday, April 17, 2017 9:44 AMDoes anyone else think GeorgeCopeland was having a bad day? Or does he really not get the fact that there's a lot of dirty data out there and this IS a problem that people need to consider?
I actually agree with him because there's a lot of dirty data that should be prevented by choosing the correct data types. We're aware of the problems out there, but we should encourage to fix the cause and not the symptom.
April 17, 2017 at 2:52 pm
Yes, I did blow up at someone on the forums. I'm sure that the stress of being unemployed (and the consequent insomnia) played a role in this.
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