April 18, 2017 at 10:39 am
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April 18, 2017 at 10:41 am
drew.allen - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:33 AMOkay, I had an interview with a company that is doing a lot of work with SSIS 2012 and their main concern is that I have only worked with SSIS 2005/8. I know that the big difference is the Project Deployment model and I have reviewed that, but the recruiter thinks it would help if I found a training program. Any suggestions?Drew
SSIS 2012 isn't that big of a leap from 2k8. If you really want a training program, you can check with Pragmatic Works. But I would install it local to a SOHO and break the system into shape yourself.
April 18, 2017 at 10:53 am
Brandie Tarvin - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:41 AMdrew.allen - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:33 AMOkay, I had an interview with a company that is doing a lot of work with SSIS 2012 and their main concern is that I have only worked with SSIS 2005/8. I know that the big difference is the Project Deployment model and I have reviewed that, but the recruiter thinks it would help if I found a training program. Any suggestions?Drew
SSIS 2012 isn't that big of a leap from 2k8. If you really want a training program, you can check with Pragmatic Works. But I would install it local to a SOHO and break the system into shape yourself.
Exactly, train yourself, learn the new stuff and say you know SSIS 2012. The changes are simple compared to the ones on SSAS.
April 18, 2017 at 11:14 am
Luis Cazares - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:53 AMBrandie Tarvin - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:41 AMdrew.allen - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:33 AMOkay, I had an interview with a company that is doing a lot of work with SSIS 2012 and their main concern is that I have only worked with SSIS 2005/8. I know that the big difference is the Project Deployment model and I have reviewed that, but the recruiter thinks it would help if I found a training program. Any suggestions?Drew
SSIS 2012 isn't that big of a leap from 2k8. If you really want a training program, you can check with Pragmatic Works. But I would install it local to a SOHO and break the system into shape yourself.
Exactly, train yourself, learn the new stuff and say you know SSIS 2012. The changes are simple compared to the ones on SSAS.
That was my original plan, but the recruiter is looking for something more substantial.
Drew
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April 18, 2017 at 12:07 pm
drew.allen - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:33 AMOkay, I had an interview with a company that is doing a lot of work with SSIS 2012 and their main concern is that I have only worked with SSIS 2005/8. I know that the big difference is the Project Deployment model and I have reviewed that, but the recruiter thinks it would help if I found a training program. Any suggestions?Drew
If you have a Pluralsight subscription, take a look in their course library and see if anything there fits the bill.
If you don't have a PS subscription, start with a trial subscription (IIRC one week unlimited free access). If you need more than a week, PM me and I'll see if I can get something done for you.
April 18, 2017 at 12:08 pm
Greg Edwards-268690 - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:20 AMSean Lange - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:26 AMThomasRushton - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:20 AMJeff Moden - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:03 AMLuis Cazares - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:40 AMThom A - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:17 AMBrandie Tarvin - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:12 AMThom A - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:08 AMI believe that they honestly think they are paid to get answers from the internet, rather they learn and think for themselves... https://qa.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1871266.aspxI just had to respond to his last comment. The sheer arrogance of that statement demanded it.
I was going to but held back. More I think of it, more I want to go back and post though.
I couldn't hold back. I just hate that people think that we're getting paid to do their job. I'm happy to help because it's fun and it gives me the opportunity to learn, but I don't need to adjust to their "speed" requirements.
It's not "arrogance". It's a sense of "entitlement" and that's 10 times worse. I feel sorry for his family because he's practicing being a "LUser".
And he's been doing this for seven years...
And won't quit as long as people keep providing them answers. :crying:
My comment would have been have your HR person contact me.
I can explain how speed is eluding them.
It's an illusion if you have someone asking a question that simple at this point in their career.
You should always be learning, but at some point you need sharper pencils to do the job.Invest in training for your employees, or up the bar for consideration.
Give them a simple (or complex) task, set them in a room with a laptop, no internet and phone for an hour and evaluate what they come up with.
You will quickly have a lot of insight to potential down the road.
Everyone has gaps in what they know, and learn in different ways.
But how they approach a problem, especially if they do not solve it, shows a lot.So as appalled as we are about the poster, should we not be as disappointed employers allow this to continue?
After all, you can see the writing on the wall.
Same problem just moves to another company at some point.
Learning on the job is great, but there are limits that cost us all.
How do you respond to his latest response that an experienced person is needed to develop the solution DesNorton provided without insulting DesNorton? I mean, a junior DBA/Database Developer could come up with that solution with a little BinGoogle-Fu or a decent mentor. It really isn't rocket science.
April 18, 2017 at 12:26 pm
Lynn Pettis - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:08 PMGreg Edwards-268690 - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:20 AMSean Lange - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:26 AMThomasRushton - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:20 AMJeff Moden - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:03 AMLuis Cazares - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:40 AMThom A - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:17 AMBrandie Tarvin - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:12 AMThom A - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:08 AMI believe that they honestly think they are paid to get answers from the internet, rather they learn and think for themselves... https://qa.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1871266.aspxI just had to respond to his last comment. The sheer arrogance of that statement demanded it.
I was going to but held back. More I think of it, more I want to go back and post though.
I couldn't hold back. I just hate that people think that we're getting paid to do their job. I'm happy to help because it's fun and it gives me the opportunity to learn, but I don't need to adjust to their "speed" requirements.
It's not "arrogance". It's a sense of "entitlement" and that's 10 times worse. I feel sorry for his family because he's practicing being a "LUser".
And he's been doing this for seven years...
And won't quit as long as people keep providing them answers. :crying:
My comment would have been have your HR person contact me.
I can explain how speed is eluding them.
It's an illusion if you have someone asking a question that simple at this point in their career.
You should always be learning, but at some point you need sharper pencils to do the job.Invest in training for your employees, or up the bar for consideration.
Give them a simple (or complex) task, set them in a room with a laptop, no internet and phone for an hour and evaluate what they come up with.
You will quickly have a lot of insight to potential down the road.
Everyone has gaps in what they know, and learn in different ways.
But how they approach a problem, especially if they do not solve it, shows a lot.So as appalled as we are about the poster, should we not be as disappointed employers allow this to continue?
After all, you can see the writing on the wall.
Same problem just moves to another company at some point.
Learning on the job is great, but there are limits that cost us all.How do you respond to his latest response that an experienced person is needed to develop the solution DesNorton provided without insulting DesNorton? I mean, a junior DBA/Database Developer could come up with that solution with a little BinGoogle-Fu or a decent mentor. It really isn't rocket science.
That whole thread has turned into a pissing match. Yes the OP is self entitled, arrogant, ignorant and down right rude but IMHO too many people are piling on.
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April 18, 2017 at 12:28 pm
Sean Lange - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:26 PMThat whole thread has turned into a pissing match. Yes the OP is self entitled, arrogant, ignorant and down right rude but IMHO too many people are piling on.
Then stop.
I read the posts over there. In some ways it can be construed as a compliment to us and how we respond to stuff. Let's not turn into Stack Exchange people.
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April 18, 2017 at 12:29 pm
drew.allen - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 11:14 AMLuis Cazares - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:53 AMBrandie Tarvin - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:41 AMdrew.allen - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:33 AMOkay, I had an interview with a company that is doing a lot of work with SSIS 2012 and their main concern is that I have only worked with SSIS 2005/8. I know that the big difference is the Project Deployment model and I have reviewed that, but the recruiter thinks it would help if I found a training program. Any suggestions?Drew
SSIS 2012 isn't that big of a leap from 2k8. If you really want a training program, you can check with Pragmatic Works. But I would install it local to a SOHO and break the system into shape yourself.
Exactly, train yourself, learn the new stuff and say you know SSIS 2012. The changes are simple compared to the ones on SSAS.
That was my original plan, but the recruiter is looking for something more substantial.
Drew
Pluralsight?
https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/ssis-advanced/table-of-contents
https://app.pluralsight.com/library/courses/ssis-advanced-part2/table-of-contents
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April 18, 2017 at 12:30 pm
Lynn Pettis - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:08 PMHow do you respond to his latest response that an experienced person is needed to develop the solution DesNorton provided without insulting DesNorton? I mean, a junior DBA/Database Developer could come up with that solution with a little BinGoogle-Fu or a decent mentor. It really isn't rocket science.
By walking away. You won't persuade him of anything. You can't win, so stop playing the game.
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Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
April 18, 2017 at 12:34 pm
GilaMonster - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:30 PMLynn Pettis - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:08 PMHow do you respond to his latest response that an experienced person is needed to develop the solution DesNorton provided without insulting DesNorton? I mean, a junior DBA/Database Developer could come up with that solution with a little BinGoogle-Fu or a decent mentor. It really isn't rocket science.
By walking away. You won't persuade him of anything. You can't win, so stop playing the game.
The only winning move is not to play.
April 18, 2017 at 12:38 pm
Sean Lange - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:41 AMBrandie Tarvin - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:12 AMThom A - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:08 AMI believe that they honestly think they are paid to get answers from the internet, rather they learn and think for themselves... https://qa.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1871266.aspxI just had to respond to his last comment. The sheer arrogance of that statement demanded it.
Not just arrogance but utter laziness. I saw a post from that person yesterday and mentally added them to my "warning list", I have now added them to my "do not bother" list.
They were already on my warning list, approaching the "stay away" list. Now, they've joined SS.
April 18, 2017 at 12:39 pm
Jeff Moden - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:03 AMLuis Cazares - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:40 AMThom A - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:17 AMBrandie Tarvin - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:12 AMThom A - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:08 AMI believe that they honestly think they are paid to get answers from the internet, rather they learn and think for themselves... https://qa.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1871266.aspxI just had to respond to his last comment. The sheer arrogance of that statement demanded it.
I was going to but held back. More I think of it, more I want to go back and post though.
I couldn't hold back. I just hate that people think that we're getting paid to do their job. I'm happy to help because it's fun and it gives me the opportunity to learn, but I don't need to adjust to their "speed" requirements.
It's not "arrogance". It's a sense of "entitlement" and that's 10 times worse. I feel sorry for his family because he's practicing being a "LUser".
+10M to that!
April 18, 2017 at 12:58 pm
Grant Fritchey - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:28 PMSean Lange - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:26 PMThat whole thread has turned into a pissing match. Yes the OP is self entitled, arrogant, ignorant and down right rude but IMHO too many people are piling on.Then stop.
I read the posts over there. In some ways it can be construed as a compliment to us and how we respond to stuff. Let's not turn into Stack Exchange people.
LOL there is no stopping for me because I never posted anything in that thread. 😛 And yes we definitely don't want to become nasty like certain other sites.
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April 18, 2017 at 1:00 pm
Ed Wagner - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:38 PMSean Lange - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:41 AMBrandie Tarvin - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:12 AMThom A - Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:08 AMI believe that they honestly think they are paid to get answers from the internet, rather they learn and think for themselves... https://qa.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1871266.aspxI just had to respond to his last comment. The sheer arrogance of that statement demanded it.
Not just arrogance but utter laziness. I saw a post from that person yesterday and mentally added them to my "warning list", I have now added them to my "do not bother" list.
They were already on my warning list, approaching the "stay away" list. Now, they've joined SS.
For me that list is only 2 names. SS and JC :Whistling:
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Read the article at http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Best+Practices/61537/ for best practices on asking questions.
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Cross Tabs and Pivots, Part 1 – Converting Rows to Columns - http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/T-SQL/63681/
Cross Tabs and Pivots, Part 2 - Dynamic Cross Tabs - http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Crosstab/65048/
Understanding and Using APPLY (Part 1) - http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/APPLY/69953/
Understanding and Using APPLY (Part 2) - http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/APPLY/69954/
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