November 25, 2009 at 10:27 am
Hi,
Each day we have a lot new users being registered.
Most of the times, the new user posting a performance problem and query related problem would post which is not complete and most of the time we have been asking to follow so and so link for posting performance problems or another article about forum etiquettes about posting query related questions.
Rather than we doing this for at least 20 posts daily, I suggest can we have a welcome message to the Newbies from Administrator / Moderator with a brief introduction about how to post performance related and query related questions.
With that every new user would have to read this once before they start teasing us with their teasers.
What do you guys say ??
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November 25, 2009 at 11:41 am
It is a nice idea. One problem is that, even though I scroll to the end of the text, or click that I have read it - did I really read and understand it?
It wouldn't hurt to put something out there. I do think though that the message will only curb the behavior slightly for a short time.
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November 25, 2009 at 11:58 am
Agree to it, if required, we can have a timed session on that page, make the user to stay on that page for a while like 2-3 mins before proceeding further, may be that should force the user to read.
SInce it will be a one time process for any new user, it should be ok also, they should not complain about it, rather than we look at lengthy post that no head and tail only junk data and finally scratch our head and post the link to read the articles fore better responses.
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November 25, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Bru Medishetty (11/25/2009)
What do you guys say ??
Far from the first time it's been suggested. Some people would read it, but I suspect those would be the kind of users who would post well anyway. Someone in a rush who wants their question answered NOW will likely scroll to the bottom, click the box and not read a thing. Same as software EULA. How many people read over those in detail before clicking 'I agree'?
Agree to it, if required, we can have a timed session on that page, make the user to stay on that page for a while like 2-3 mins before proceeding further, may be that should force the user to read.
More likely it'll make them close the browser window in anger and go somewhere else. I know a page that forced me to stare at it for 2 minutes would do that.
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November 25, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Ultimately it is the users answering the questions, who needs to increase patience and try to crack the puzzles posted by the impatient new beees 😉
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November 25, 2009 at 12:38 pm
It's a great idea and it's been suggested many times. But, just like a EULA, how do you guarantee that a newbie will actually read it never mind follow it? Shoot... we can't even get some people with 400 posts to "follow the rules".
What some of us have done is what I've done in my signature line below. Take a look-see.
--Jeff Moden
November 25, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Heh... wow... people jumped on that post like white on rice... there' weren't any posts between the original and mine when I first looked at the post. Folks even used the same example of EULA.
Good to see that great minds think alike. 😛
--Jeff Moden
November 25, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Jeff Moden (11/25/2009)
Good to see that great minds think alike. 😛
Thanks Jeff:cool:
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November 25, 2009 at 1:07 pm
You can't force someone to sit on a page for 2 minutes. None of us would do it, and we would never come back. You can't force people to read or pay attention.
It's not really worth the effort, and it penalizes everyone for the relatively few people that don't have good etiquette. I'd rather just post a note to them that there are better ways to ask questions.
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November 25, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Agreed Steve.
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November 25, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Steve Jones - Editor (11/25/2009)
You can't force people to read or pay attention.
Heh... you can if there're some tight ropes and high velocity pork involved. 😉
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