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David Bieniek

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February 25, 2004 at 4:50 am

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How old do you have to be to take a jurb?

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Antares686

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February 25, 2004 at 5:42 am

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I have not seen nor heard of any age requirement. If you can pay for the test you can take it is all I know of.

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David Bieniek

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February 25, 2004 at 3:10 pm

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Oh cool, how much does the test cost on an average? So I could get certified if I could pass the test?

Angela But Hall of Fame Points: 3848 More actions · Answer 3

David,

There is more than one test required to gain the MCDBA certification. Your best place to find information about an MCDBA is the Microsoft website.

BTW, Why do you want to pursue an MCDBA? I'm assuming you're intending to finish high school before pursuing a career. Certifications require upgrading with new releases of software, to remain current. It seems quite pointless to me to study for a certification you can't utilise.

no offense, just my 2c

Angela

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Antares686

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February 26, 2004 at 6:09 am

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$125 US a pop. There is a number on the certification site to sign up and ask questions.

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp

Look under

How do I register for an MCP exam?

for number

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcpexams/faq/procedures.asp

Frank Kalis SSC Guru Points: 111183 More actions · Answer 5

BTW, Why do you want to pursue an MCDBA? I'm assuming you're intending to finish high school before pursuing a career. Certifications require upgrading with new releases of software, to remain current. It seems quite pointless to me to study for a certification you can't utilise.

While 15 *might* be a little bit young, I think being at school or university is a huge advantage for trying to get additional credentials, because you are directly involved in a constant process of learning. Meaning you don't have forgotten HOW TO learn because of everyday's work.

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lykins SSC Veteran Points: 210 More actions · Answer 6

Depending on the college or university sometimes you can get credits for classes if it relates to the certification you have and you can skip that class.

Several years ago when I was still in high school I had my own business developing software and fixing computers. I got a few certificates to try to get people to overlook my age and percieved lack of experience.

In the high school if you drove and was in the 11th, or 12th grade we were able to skip our last two classes and take college courses at our local college. When I went to do that I was told that the classes I wanted to take I could get credits for them because they looked at the certs that I had as being equivelant to the course taught.

This was 8 years ago and I am not sure how many schools do this now, I know at the time out of 12 schools I applied to only 2 honored that method. But the school I ended up going to, one of the certs that I had which I spend $125 on ended up saving me about $200 for not taking the course.

Because of the expiration of most certificates, I do not recommend you go out and get certifications, that young unless you have an after school job that would give you a significate increase in pay, or you know what college your are going to and have verified that you can skip certain classes with credits if you uptain a certification.

I am not sure if your school offers this or not, but a lot of high schools now are offering classes for certain types of certifications. If you hight school offers this, you might want to talk to the teachers and get some guidence from them.

Patrick

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Frank Kalis SSC Guru Points: 111183 More actions · Answer 7

Because of the expiration of most certificates, I do not recommend you go out and get certifications, that young unless you have an after school job that would give you a significate increase in pay, or you know what college your are going to and have verified that you can skip certain classes with credits if you uptain a certification.

Does this mean that the MS certificates age out after say some years and need to be renewed?

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Antares686 SSC Guru Points: 125444 More actions · Answer 8

Yes they do and in fact you are supposed to stop using the titles as soon as yours expires, but I still run into MCP for Windows WFW (3.11) who use them any. However recently there has been discussion within MS about attaching version to the title when technically NT4 is phased out now a person can still be an MCP NT4 since this is quite commonly used in many corps still. But not sure where that has gone yet. I technically am an MCP NT4 and just missed by a hair of being an MCSE (SQL beta test was bad time to take 7 test) and I just gave up as it earned me nothing anyway. Heck I am a Novel CNA Netware 4 but I don't use it at all. I find them meaningless unless liek stated the company wants you to have one or you can get college credit for them (which still does at some places work but so does experience).

lykins SSC Veteran Points: 210 More actions · Answer 9

I had eight different certifications but I believe all of them have expired. The company I work for now could care less if you have certificates or not. I plan to stay with this company for years and it did not make since to me to attempt to renew any of my certifications at $125 each when I was not going to make any more for them, especially since MS exams (at least when I got my last few certs) trys to trick you by giving you two to three pages of information and you only need one or two sentences out of it to answer. The rest is just twisted garbage to trip you up. In the early 90's every test I took was about your knowlege of the what you were getting certified for. Now it is based off of reading through the garbage to find only relitive information.

When I took my last MS test I decided from then on that I would never hire anyone because of certifications, I go strictly off of past experince now.

To get back on topic, I would definatly recommend you look into the schools that you are applying at to check on the cost of the class/books and if you can skip the class with the certification. Sometimes you will end up saving better off.

Patrick

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Frank Kalis SSC Guru Points: 111183 More actions · Answer 10

Thanks for the info!

It's interesting to see such regulations. In my profession everybody's crazy about being allowed to put the three letters CFA on his business card. However, they use a different approach. After studied for three years (at a minimum, that passing each level at once) you are being awarded this charter. In order to go on, you have to pay each year some $500 IIRC or you lose the right to wear this designation. Hey, that's the way how business goes.

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johnsonj SSCrazy Points: 2159 More actions · Answer 11

I just wanted to comment on your statement "only go off past experience". It is in my opinion that a good combination of experience and certs makes for a robust person.

As for just experience, people lie; and sometimes you cannot effectively determine this until they are already on the job. It wastes your time and their time. By having certifications, I feel assured that the employee can at least partially understand the concepts even if it is only "book learning".

Yes, I would much rather have experience. However, someone's experience can be more of the voodoo variety (you know, they shake chicken bones at it and hope it starts working correctly) -- sometimes it works. Most of the time you just want to shake things at them.

Of course, you might think I am biased. Nope. Not a single cert, but 20 years of experience.

Joe Johnson
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Antares686 SSC Guru Points: 125444 More actions · Answer 12

However as for those with certs. Unfortunately many of those take prep tests and learn from the braindump sites. So you have a fair number of folks with an idea of what to choose on the test but no understanding.Now a degree on the other hand means they have an understanding at least or they went to a crappy school. Too many holes that is why there is the whole 90 probation thing, easier to say "you're just not working out".

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Frank Kalis

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February 26, 2004 at 1:37 pm

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Hey, does anybody remember the famous 'Do certification add value' thread several month ago?

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noeld

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February 26, 2004 at 4:26 pm

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I really believe certifications add NOTHING. I took the tests and saw a lot of people pass them with me and most didn't have any clue of the theory/practice. Is simple matter of being a test taker the worse part is if you paid for them as I did just to realize that they would not help me at all

* Noel