Are the posted questions getting worse?
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Jeff Moden (10/8/2009)
Heh... I know it's a couple/three months old now but I've not seen it before.Thanks for bringing this to us Jeff, I hadn't seen that reply. (And since he was responding to me...)
And wouldn't he really get upset if he knew the only reason I added the INDEX(0) option was to try to make nay-sayers like him happy?
So, I'll make it official... the INDEX(0) table hint is just what it says in the comment in the article above... it's "warm fuzzy" stuff that doesn't change a thing except slow the code down a bit (a lot, actually).
He did bring up an interesting thing though, and I'd like your opinion.
BTW, as an aside, the hint index = 0 doesn’t instruct the optimizer to do something in clustered index order, rather, just do a table scan (or clustered index scan with no order guaranteed). To instruct the optimizer to perform an activity in clustered index order you would normally use index = 1.
Would / Does using INDEX(1) do anything for the quirky update?
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Gianluca Sartori (10/9/2009)
I had a hot discussion with Joe Celko some days ago about the quirky update.He doesn't seem to like it.
I told him I use the quirky update expecting it to break at some point with service packs or new sql versions, but I use it in the meanwhile because it's fast and I would care about the problems when they arise.
He said that he would never step on a bridge built by an engineer that works this way....
Good point, actually.
No it's not. Engineers design failure into products because it allows them to use cheaper materials and methods, or they evaluate the life expectancy and replace before it gets there. Celko's asking for a bridge that will never fail in this case, which would put a lot of innocent Dept of Transportation workers out of a job (I'm crying on the inside).
If it works, it works, regardless of the level of documentation, and not using it when the benefits are so concrete is just stubborn. You are aware of the risks of it going away at some point, but so what? We all die at some point too. That shouldn't keep you from accomplishing something in life.
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Grant, I'm bummed that I missed the Columbus chapter meeting last night, life happened 😉
Don't suppose Jeremiah recorded it, or you have an upcoming session somewhere else on LiveMeeting that I could dial into?
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Tally Table:What it is and how it replaces a loop[/url]"stewsterl 80804 (10/16/2009)I guess when you stop and try to understand the solution provided you not only learn, but save yourself some headaches when you need to make any slight changes."
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LASHIWAB, Matt... :hehe:
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Tally Table:What it is and how it replaces a loop[/url]"stewsterl 80804 (10/16/2009)I guess when you stop and try to understand the solution provided you not only learn, but save yourself some headaches when you need to make any slight changes."
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Just an FYI, since THE THREAD is so heavily visited. We've started our own ASK site at http://ask.sqlservercentral.com. Not my idea, and I'm not sure how we'll sync up points/rating at some point, but feel free to check it out, post/answer questions there.
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Steve Jones - Editor (10/9/2009)
Just an FYI, since THE THREAD is so heavily visited. We've started our own ASK site at ask.sqlservercentral.com. Not my idea, and I'm not sure how we'll sync up points/rating at some point, but feel free to check it out, post/answer questions there.Steve looks like you need to adjust that link...
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Steve Jones - Editor (10/9/2009)
Just an FYI, since THE THREAD is so heavily visited. We've started our own ASK site at ask.sqlservercentral.com. Not my idea, and I'm not sure how we'll sync up points/rating at some point, but feel free to check it out, post/answer questions there.Good work - i just posted a couple of replies just to check it out - and it came up with 'Banner Low' above one of my answers - with a link saying 'customise this' underneath - I clicked on customise this and it was a 404 - not sure if that's something you can do or whether you'll have to get Jeff A / whoever to look at it...
Nice though! 😀
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Steve Jones - Editor (10/9/2009)
Just an FYI, since THE THREAD is so heavily visited. We've started our own ASK site at ask.sqlservercentral.com. Not my idea, and I'm not sure how we'll sync up points/rating at some point, but feel free to check it out, post/answer questions there.Seems like a lot of people really like that model. It definitely has some good points. I still like the more community feel to SSC though. I don't think that the StackOverFlow model has that, but maybe that has more to do with the people visiting than the model.
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Jack Corbett (10/9/2009)
I still like the more community feel to SSC thoughI like the fact that you can participate in a thread here, disagree thoroughly with someone, thrash it out, and both come away more knowledgeable for the experience. I haven't seen that on any of the stackoverflow based sites, particularly...
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I still like the more community feel to SSC though
Strongly agree with Jack, way back in the beginning it was what drew me back to this site again and again.
Matt Whitfield
I like the fact that you can participate in a thread here, disagree thoroughly with someone, thrash it out, and both come away more knowledgeable for the experience
Further I think it dilutes the power and effect of the existing SSC and will not prove to be of real value to an OP.
I would like to know how many individuals come to this site and browse the forums and learn, but never post a question or answer a question
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bitbucket-25253 (10/9/2009)
I would like to know how many individuals come to this site and browse the forums and learn, but never post a question or answer a questionI was a lurker for quite a while... But then I started posting when I got annoyed with a cursor I saw 😀
I do think that the ask. site might have the effect of removing some of the less interesting questions from the forum though, which I think is a positive thing...
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bitbucket-25253 (10/9/2009)
I would like to know how many individuals come to this site and browse the forums and learn, but never post a question or answer a questionI've been a "dormant" user for six years, then I got addicted to the forums.
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...I don't think any of us really care about generating points from this particular thread. Deduct points gained from this topic, but keep others?
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Tally Table:What it is and how it replaces a loop[/url]"stewsterl 80804 (10/16/2009)I guess when you stop and try to understand the solution provided you not only learn, but save yourself some headaches when you need to make any slight changes."
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