July 2, 2010 at 5:24 am
Steve Jones - Editor (7/1/2010)
What did I do?I'm not renewed now. And perhaps I won't be if PASS gets to weigh in.
Did that blog post upset people? It shouldn't. Ah well.
----------------------------------------------------The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood... Theodore RooseveltThe Scary DBAAuthor of: SQL Server 2017 Query Performance Tuning, 5th Edition and SQL Server Execution Plans, 3rd EditionProduct Evangelist for Red Gate Software
July 2, 2010 at 5:34 am
Grant Fritchey (7/2/2010)
Steve Jones - Editor (7/1/2010)
What did I do?I'm not renewed now. And perhaps I won't be if PASS gets to weigh in.
Did that blog post upset people? It shouldn't. Ah well.
Because of the sudden change of topic? 😀
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July 2, 2010 at 6:35 am
Anybody seen Barry lately? Republication of his '15 ways to lose your cursors' (gonna be singing Simon & Garfunkel in my head all friggin day now) made me wonder?
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July 2, 2010 at 6:38 am
jcrawf02 (7/2/2010)
Anybody seen Barry lately? Republication of his '15 ways to lose your cursors' (gonna be singing Simon & Garfunkel in my head all friggin day now) made me wonder?
He posted in the Random Word thread earlier this week.
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July 2, 2010 at 6:43 am
Grant Fritchey (7/2/2010)
Steve Jones - Editor (7/1/2010)
What did I do?I'm not renewed now. And perhaps I won't be if PASS gets to weigh in.
Did that blog post upset people? It shouldn't. Ah well.
Oh yeah, that post got under some people's skin. Some of the PASS folks don't like being criticized in public. That one really comes down to not knowing what to communicate when working with volunteers. It was clear Steve's understanding was that all the sessions the committee picked would be scheduled, but no one thought to communicate that there were other considerations that people up the chain needed to consider.
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July 2, 2010 at 6:52 am
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GabyYYZ (6/30/2010)
Happy Canada Day for all Canadians north of the 49th and in the diaspora!Is it not Canada Day for Canadians in Canada south of the 49th?
It felt like a regular work day for me.
How y'all doin, eh?
Welcome back
Alvin was gone? 😀
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July 2, 2010 at 7:00 am
Jack Corbett (7/2/2010)
Grant Fritchey (7/2/2010)
Steve Jones - Editor (7/1/2010)
What did I do?I'm not renewed now. And perhaps I won't be if PASS gets to weigh in.
Did that blog post upset people? It shouldn't. Ah well.
Oh yeah, that post got under some people's skin. Some of the PASS folks don't like being criticized in public. That one really comes down to not knowing what to communicate when working with volunteers. It was clear Steve's understanding was that all the sessions the committee picked would be scheduled, but no one thought to communicate that there were other considerations that people up the chain needed to consider.
I think that's the fundamental problem when working with volunteers. Because they're volunteers, they're not employees. Employees can be treated like mushrooms (kept in the dark & fed... well, you know). Volunteers need to be treated one of two ways, simple little cogs in the machine (phone bank operators for a political campaign or NPR station) or partners in the enterprise. You can only treat them like cogs if you give them really simple, cog-like tasks. I know most of the tasks at PASS require partners, not cogs. The leadership there needs to realize it. Some of them do (naming names, I'd volunteer for Andy Warren any day of the week and twice on Sunday, although, I do volunteer for him with the Standard and I'm doing a lousy job, but that's my problem). Some of them don't (not naming names here, praise in public & all that).
Communication with your volunteers is vital to keeping them engaged. I've learned this the hard way working with Scouting organizations. Same rules apply with PASS.
I'm happy to read Steve's editorial. I've been thinking about putting together a pre/post con program. It's good to know that since I'm not one of the A-listers, even if I put together a good program, a good abstract and I get picked, I still probably won't make the cut because I'm not an A-lister. Saves me time & trouble.
----------------------------------------------------The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood... Theodore RooseveltThe Scary DBAAuthor of: SQL Server 2017 Query Performance Tuning, 5th Edition and SQL Server Execution Plans, 3rd EditionProduct Evangelist for Red Gate Software
July 2, 2010 at 7:20 am
"I still probably won't make the cut because I'm not an A-lister."
Says who?
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July 2, 2010 at 7:32 am
Steve Jones - Editor (7/1/2010)
What did I do?I'm not renewed now. And perhaps I won't be if PASS gets to weigh in.
Well, it DOES list you in it. Guess you're renewed, and you didn't know it!
Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes
July 2, 2010 at 7:34 am
WayneS (7/2/2010)
Steve Jones - Editor (7/1/2010)
What did I do?I'm not renewed now. And perhaps I won't be if PASS gets to weigh in.
Well, it DOES list you in it. Guess you're renewed, and you didn't know it!
Steve gets renewed on the 1 Jan cycle 😎
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July 2, 2010 at 7:37 am
jcrawf02 (7/2/2010)
"I still probably won't make the cut because I'm not an A-lister."Says who?
Look at who is doing those pre-cons. Adam, Paul, Kim, Kalen, Itzik... That's the A-List pretty much. Not only do they have the name recognition and draw, but they teach flipping Microsoft courses for crying out loud. I'm pretty happily settled into the B-List. Unless I change my employment to consulting so that I can jet around the country AND get a lot smarter, I'm going to stay there. That's fine. B-List is still in the club, but evidently it doesn't get you into the Champagne Room.
----------------------------------------------------The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood... Theodore RooseveltThe Scary DBAAuthor of: SQL Server 2017 Query Performance Tuning, 5th Edition and SQL Server Execution Plans, 3rd EditionProduct Evangelist for Red Gate Software
July 2, 2010 at 7:53 am
Grant Fritchey (7/2/2010)
jcrawf02 (7/2/2010)
"I still probably won't make the cut because I'm not an A-lister."Says who?
Look at who is doing those pre-cons. Adam, Paul, Kim, Kalen, Itzik... That's the A-List pretty much. Not only do they have the name recognition and draw, but they teach flipping Microsoft courses for crying out loud. I'm pretty happily settled into the B-List. Unless I change my employment to consulting so that I can jet around the country AND get a lot smarter, I'm going to stay there. That's fine. B-List is still in the club, but evidently it doesn't get you into the Champagne Room.
Ah, but this is what the Regional event we are planning for the spring is for. To allow people to move up the recognition chain. Just having that discussion with Kendal, if the regional event gets the attendance we are hoping/planning then SQLSaturday speakers who are used to speaking to rooms of 20-50 will be in a room with 100+, there is definitely a difference.
I'd argue that you are on the B+ list and maybe A-list because you have spoken at the Summit multiple times, are an MVP, and have written multiple books, one of which should be on every SQL Server professional's bookshelf. Remember, the average SQL Server person doesn't know who most of the people you name are, anymore than they know who you are.
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July 2, 2010 at 8:34 am
Jack Corbett (7/2/2010)
Grant Fritchey (7/2/2010)
jcrawf02 (7/2/2010)
"I still probably won't make the cut because I'm not an A-lister."Says who?
Look at who is doing those pre-cons. Adam, Paul, Kim, Kalen, Itzik... That's the A-List pretty much. Not only do they have the name recognition and draw, but they teach flipping Microsoft courses for crying out loud. I'm pretty happily settled into the B-List. Unless I change my employment to consulting so that I can jet around the country AND get a lot smarter, I'm going to stay there. That's fine. B-List is still in the club, but evidently it doesn't get you into the Champagne Room.
Ah, but this is what the Regional event we are planning for the spring is for. To allow people to move up the recognition chain. Just having that discussion with Kendal, if the regional event gets the attendance we are hoping/planning then SQLSaturday speakers who are used to speaking to rooms of 20-50 will be in a room with 100+, there is definitely a difference.
I'd argue that you are on the B+ list and maybe A-list because you have spoken at the Summit multiple times, are an MVP, and have written multiple books, one of which should be on every SQL Server professional's bookshelf. Remember, the average SQL Server person doesn't know who most of the people you name are, anymore than they know who you are.
Tell me about it. It was really weird to ask 80 people if they knew Paul Randal and only see 7 or 8 hands go up.
That said, yeah, I'm looking forward to the opportunity next spring. I'll be working on notes & stuff as well as trying to track down a mentor (first time trying that) to put together a proposal for doing the pre-con at the spring event.
----------------------------------------------------The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood... Theodore RooseveltThe Scary DBAAuthor of: SQL Server 2017 Query Performance Tuning, 5th Edition and SQL Server Execution Plans, 3rd EditionProduct Evangelist for Red Gate Software
July 2, 2010 at 8:34 am
Part of a problem I see with the whole process is that there aren't good guidelines. No criteria that describe how we pick things.
We did get some "B-listers" in Denny Cherry (arguable, since he writes white papers for MS) and Allen White. Ultimately my goal is the balance the need to get people to pay for the sessions (marketing, revenue) and the need to ensure we have more A-list speakers. If Paul/Kim/BK/Itzik all drop out one year, what happens?
We should have 20 people that have great name recognition and will get others to pay for a day of training. Means we need to get some more people in there at times, take some chances.
Grant, you could do it, and if you had a good session, you'd get picked. What you can't do is
a)not pick the same session as someone else (We had a few B-listers that did that). When that happens, name recognition wins
b) pick a topic that will sell. That gets people interested, with takeaways they get to use when they get back and impress their boss.
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July 2, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Steve Jones - Editor (7/2/2010)
Part of a problem I see with the whole process is that there aren't good guidelines. No criteria that describe how we pick things.We did get some "B-listers" in Denny Cherry (arguable, since he writes white papers for MS) and Allen White. Ultimately my goal is the balance the need to get people to pay for the sessions (marketing, revenue) and the need to ensure we have more A-list speakers. If Paul/Kim/BK/Itzik all drop out one year, what happens?
We should have 20 people that have great name recognition and will get others to pay for a day of training. Means we need to get some more people in there at times, take some chances.
Grant, you could do it, and if you had a good session, you'd get picked. What you can't do is
a)not pick the same session as someone else (We had a few B-listers that did that). When that happens, name recognition wins
b) pick a topic that will sell. That gets people interested, with takeaways they get to use when they get back and impress their boss.
Ok... I guess I'm just missing it here. Are you good folks talking about PASS sessions?
Shifting gears, one of the things I notice about a lot (most) of the sessions is that they're NOT for developers or DBA's that have to play developer. Sure, there are a lot of good "A-List" topics with some pretty good "A-List" speakers but if you really want to see PASS grow, you need some good "Developer to Developer" sessions. I just don't see many of those either in the local PASS chapters nor the Summit.
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